number. it could be $25,000, $50,000. and people could put twhawhatev deduction in that total cap they'd like. >> so he's trying to explain how he would pay for the across-the-board tax cut that he wants to see implemented for all americans, rich, middle class, everyone gets a tax cut, but he would pay for that by eliminating some loopholes, deductions, exemptions, credits. and he said maybe there would be a cap, $25,000, $50,000. that would be it. what do you think about that? >> well, i think if you listen to that interview, he undercuts his whole economic argument. he says that what you need are tax cuts across the board in order to help the economy. but then he says, actually, the wealthy won't get a tax cut. it's all going to be revenue neutral. that will go to the middle class then. well, first of all, does grover norquist know that wealthy folks aren't going to get a tax cut? second of all, the numbers don't add up. if you're saying that the middle class gets a tax cut, the wealthy get a tax cut, but then there's deductions that make it all even out. but then the middle class is still getting a tax cut, where's the money to pay for the middle class? >> what's the answer?